[gappvembe]

Disintegrate wrote:

check out kiss love gun live at vh1 rock honors. One of the worst vocal performances ever! Absolute shit voice and a weak performance by the entire band.

None of the bands sounded great I think it had something to do with the audio set up for the tv show.
Even so, can't a band have an off night, Def Leppard has had a few of those in recent years.

[Disintegrate]

Weak. Def Leppard sounded great except for Joe's shit voice. I don't remember the other performances.

Paul Stanley can't sing and Kiss haven't released a good album in decades. The only Kiss line up you have seen is with replacements like Tommy Thayer who can't play guitar to save his life.

[gappvembe]

Disintegrate wrote:

Weak. Def Leppard sounded great except for Joe's shit voice. I don't remember the other performances. Paul Stanley can't sing and Kiss haven't released a good album in decades. The only Kiss line up you have seen is with replacements like Tommy Thayer who can't play guitar to save his life.

Again Paul can have an off vocal night just like Joe. In fact Gene had a night so bad on the Reunion tour where he didn't sing at all and Paul did the whole show, even Gene's song.
KISS hasn't released a studio album with all new songs since 98, in a little over a decade. Box set in 01, Live album with a symphony in 03 and last year they re-recorded a chunk of their hits and released it in Japan (for commercial purposes). Whether they are good are not is subjective. Psycho Circus has pretty much been in the set every tour since it's release, so that says something (even though I like most of the other songs off the album better).

And you know shit about which line up I have seen.
Tommy does a fine job in KISS.

[Disintegrate]

gappvembe wrote:

Disintegrate wrote: Weak. Def Leppard sounded great except for Joe's shit voice. I don't remember the other performances. Paul Stanley can't sing and Kiss haven't released a good album in decades. The only Kiss line up you have seen is with replacements like Tommy Thayer who can't play guitar to save his life. Again Paul can have an off vocal night just like Joe. In fact Gene had a night so bad on the Reunion tour where he didn't sing at all and Paul did the whole show, even Gene's song. KISS hasn't released a studio album with all new songs since 98, in a little over a decade. Box set in 01, Live album with a symphony in 03 and last year they re-recorded a chunk of their hits and released it in Japan (for commercial purposes). Whether they are good are not is subjective. Psycho Circus has pretty much been in the set every tour since it's release, so that says something (even though I like most of the other songs off the album better). And you know shit about which line up I have seen. Tommy does a fine job in KISS.

Here's a terrible guitar solo by Tommy - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCacf3Ht3UA

Only fans like you are delusional enough to buy that shit and think that the cat and dog show is cool.

Terrible musicians who haven't made a good album in 32 f%ckin years with a massive delusional fan base.

Psycho Circus is one of the worst albums released in rock n roll just like Dynasty, Unmasked, Music from the elder, Creatures of the shite, Lick it up, Animalize, Asylum, Crazy Nights, Hot in the shite, Revenge, ALive III, most of their terrible solo albums. Grene Simmons' A**hole is a strong contender for the worst album ever along with Peter Criss' One for all.

They haven't even released an album in 8 years because they are so bad at writing new songs. Now, go and wear Kiss make up.

[gappvembe]

Disintegrate wrote:

gappvembe wrote: Disintegrate wrote: Weak. Def Leppard sounded great except for Joe's shit voice. I don't remember the other performances. Paul Stanley can't sing and Kiss haven't released a good album in decades. The only Kiss line up you have seen is with replacements like Tommy Thayer who can't play guitar to save his life. Again Paul can have an off vocal night just like Joe. In fact Gene had a night so bad on the Reunion tour where he didn't sing at all and Paul did the whole show, even Gene's song. KISS hasn't released a studio album with all new songs since 98, in a little over a decade. Box set in 01, Live album with a symphony in 03 and last year they re-recorded a chunk of their hits and released it in Japan (for commercial purposes). Whether they are good are not is subjective. Psycho Circus has pretty much been in the set every tour since it's release, so that says something (even though I like most of the other songs off the album better). And you know shit about which line up I have seen. Tommy does a fine job in KISS. Here's a terrible guitar solo by Tommy - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCacf3Ht3UA Only fans like you are delusional enough to buy that shit and think that the cat and dog show is cool. Terrible musicians who haven't made a good album in 32 f%ckin years with a massive delusional fan base. Psycho Circus is one of the worst albums released in rock n roll just like Dynasty, Unmasked, Music from the elder, Creatures of the shite, Lick it up, Animalize, Asylum, Crazy Nights, Hot in the shite, Revenge, ALive III, most of their terrible solo albums. Grene Simmons' A**hole is a strong contender for the worst album ever along with Peter Criss' One for all. They haven't even released an album in 8 years because they are so bad at writing new songs. Now, go and wear Kiss make up.

Yes because your opinion of music you dislike makes me delusional.

[Disintegrate]

LOL. Every kisstard is delusional.Fact.

[born_to_run]

Disintegrate wrote:

LOL. Every kisstard is delusional.Fact.

Shut the f--k up and listen to your pussy Daughtry stuff - I rather wear Kiss makeup than trying to look like Daughtry which is what you do....

[SavageSpirit]

2 words........Rick Springfield.

[Disintegrate]

born_to_run wrote:

Disintegrate wrote: LOL. Every kisstard is delusional.Fact. Shut the f--k up and listen to your pussy Daughtry stuff - I rather wear Kiss makeup than trying to look like Daughtry which is what you do....

I don't listen to shitty Daughtry. I listen to quality music.

[born_to_run]

Disintegrate wrote:

born_to_run wrote: Disintegrate wrote: LOL. Every kisstard is delusional.Fact. Shut the f--k up and listen to your pussy Daughtry stuff - I rather wear Kiss makeup than trying to look like Daughtry which is what you do.... I don't listen to shitty Daughtry. I listen to quality music.

Like....?

[Disintegrate]

The Drive By Truckers, The Hold Steady, New York Dolls, Husker Du, The Velvet Underground, The Who, John Cale, Fugazi, Minor Threat, Joy Division, Black Flag, Bad Brains, Talking Head, King Crimson, BB King, David Bowie, Bruce Springsteen, Fleet Foxes, Peter Gabriel, Patti Smith, The Clash, Rory Gallagher, Stooges, Isis, Opeth, Nick Drake etc. to name a few.

I am just happy I am not delusional enough to think someone who plays guitar like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCacf3Ht3UA does a fine job!

[born_to_run]

Disintegrate wrote:

The Drive By Truckers, The Hold Steady, New York Dolls, Husker Du, The Velvet Underground, The Who, John Cale, Fugazi, Minor Threat, Joy Division, Black Flag, Bad Brains, Talking Head, King Crimson, BB King, David Bowie, Bruce Springsteen, Fleet Foxes, Peter Gabriel, Patti Smith, The Clash, Rory Gallagher, Stooges, Isis, Opeth, Nick Drake etc. to name a few. I am just happy I am not delusional enough to think someone who plays guitar like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCacf3Ht3UA does a fine job!

I guess you could easily find a shitty youtube clip from Springsteen Bowie and so on if you search for 10 seconds. As you are listening to punk you should know that your idols hardly can play more than three chords. Tommy is a good player not great but your punk idols are mostly crappy players. Now shut up and listen to "let's Dance" by Bowie. Quality music huh??

[gappvembe]

Disintegrate wrote:

Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah I am just happy I am not delusional enough to think someone who plays guitar like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCacf3Ht3UA does a fine job!

I could think of a half a dozen reason I don't like most of the bands you listed and a lot more songs I don't like, but why waste the time. For some reason you have stick up your a$$ about KISS. I don't know why you are trolling anyway. You think I am delusional because I like a member of my favorite band, who you think must be note-for-note perfection all the time. That makes a band stale and robotic. If I wanted to hear the exact same solo every time, I wouldn't go to the live shows, I would just listen to the albums.

[gappvembe]

Gene Simmons wrote:

Always interesting and entertaining to read comments made on internet sites by people who criticise what I do. You don't have to be a fan, that's for sure. But my first question is, "who are you?" "What have you done?" "What is your qualification for criticizing, much less having an opinion." I don't like or pretend to understand all sorts of things. But my criticism in areas I'm not qualified to comment are: "It's not for me." "I don't like it." Not "It sucks." Actually, it probably doesn't suck, if millions of people like and pay for it. Unless, of course you believe your opinion is worth more than millions of others. Mostly, I find it a sad commentary on people who have never done anything with their lives.

[Disintegrate]

born_to_run wrote:

I guess you could easily find a shitty youtube clip from Springsteen Bowie and so on if you search for 10 seconds. As you are listening to punk you should know that your idols hardly can play more than three chords. Tommy is a good player not great but your punk idols are mostly crappy players. Now shut up and listen to "let's Dance" by Bowie. Quality music huh??

You don't need a night off to play such shitty guitar solos. He just has no talent. That is an obvious fact. Your comment about punks not able to play guitar for more than 3 chords reflects the little knowledge that Kiss fans have other than music of Kiss and a handful of other bands.

[Disintegrate]

gappvembe wrote:

You think I am delusional because I like a member of my favorite band, who you think must be note-for-note perfection all the time. That makes a band stale and robotic. If I wanted to hear the exact same solo every time, I wouldn't go to the live shows, I would just listen to the albums.

It's very difficult to have an argument with someone who makes a statement as ridiculous as that.

LOL@ Gene's statement. He's probably the worst rock star one can follow and to take his comments seriously are laugh worthy.

[Treffo]

gappvembe wrote:

You think I am delusional because I like a member of my favorite band, who you think must be note-for-note perfection all the time. That makes a band stale and robotic. If I wanted to hear the exact same solo every time, I wouldn't go to the live shows, I would just listen to the albums.

Just curious, do you like when they switch the lyrics and vocal melody too? Otherwise it would be better to stay at home listening to the albums, right!? Or did I misunderstand something here?

I've got to say that I've heard better solos than that Thayer one in this thread, but I don't think Kiss' strong side is the musicianship live anyway....

[Disintegrate]

Treffo wrote:

gappvembe wrote: You think I am delusional because I like a member of my favorite band, who you think must be note-for-note perfection all the time. That makes a band stale and robotic. If I wanted to hear the exact same solo every time, I wouldn't go to the live shows, I would just listen to the albums. Just curious, do you like when they switch the lyrics and vocal melody too? Otherwise it would be better to stay at home listening to the albums, right!? Or did I misunderstand something here? I've got to say that I've heard better solos than that Thayer one in this thread, but I don't think Kiss' strong side is the musicianship live anyway....

hahaha yeah.

I am a big fan of bands like The Black Crowes and The Mars Volta who go improve the songs and have impromptu jams improvising the song for a very long time. The difference is that these bands are very talented musicians unlike Tommy Thayer. Of course, gappy overlooked Tommy's lack of talent and posted something as ridiculous as that.

Regarding Gene's statement. It's such a stupid statement. It's effectively saying : You do not have the right to criticize us. Everyone in the world is "qualified" to criticize and appreciate music. It is not necessary to agree with a million(exaggerated figure) fans.

Remember, these are the same fans who can defend this Gene Simmons bass solo - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6vdZ_b0l_U&feature=related

Treffo, can you tell me which is worse? Tommy Thayer's guitar solo or the gem I have posted above.

[Treffo]

Disintegrate wrote:

hahaha yeah. Remember, these are the same fans who can defend this Gene Simmons bass solo - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6vdZ_b0l_U&feature=related Treffo, can you tell me which is worse? Tommy Thayer's guitar solo or the gem I have posted above.

Wow, how can I have missed that gem for this long time? TY very much!!!

No, seriously, ouch!!!! It's the worst attempt at a solo from an established artist that I've ever heard. But the bass looked really really cool!!!!

[Disintegrate]

Treffo wrote:

Disintegrate wrote: hahaha yeah. Remember, these are the same fans who can defend this Gene Simmons bass solo - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6vdZ_b0l_U&feature=related Treffo, can you tell me which is worse? Tommy Thayer's guitar solo or the gem I have posted above. Wow, how can I have missed that gem for this long time? TY very much!!! No, seriously, ouch!!!! It's the worst attempt at a solo from an established artist that I've ever heard. But the bass looked really really cool!!!!

According to Gene Simmons, you are probably not qualified to criticize him.

Gene Simmons wrote:

my first question is, "who are you?" "What have you done?" "What is your qualification for criticizing, much less having an opinion." I don't like or pretend to understand all sorts of things. But my criticism in areas I'm not qualified to comment are: "It's not for me." "I don't like it." Not "It sucks." Actually, it probably doesn't suck, if millions of people like and pay for it. Unless, of course you believe your opinion is worth more than millions of others. Mostly, I find it a sad commentary on people who have never done anything with their lives.